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Tobias Funke · Sep 24, 2006, 06:05 AM // 06:05

So far the Nightfall story line puts both Factions and Prophecies to shame. It not even close. It is coherant, the characters actually have personalities and the voice acting doesn't make you laugh out loud (give me a T, give me an O...). Prophecies had too many loose ends story wise and drove me nuts. Factions story was too simplistic and predictable/boring. Nightfall has an epic quality to it so far that is simply non-existant in the other two.

Two complaints though...
1) Heroes need a way for you to program how they use their skills, not just what skills they have. It is simply impossible to manage 4 hereos in battle on the fly. I set up Acolyte Jin to be a barrage/judges insight ranger. In battle, however, she kept casting judges insight on ME rather then herself, despite the fact that I had heart of holy flame going at all times. Annnoying to no ends.
2) Koss is clearly Mr. T. For gods sake give him a mohawk and have him begin every phrase with 'I piddy da foo".

Thallandor · Sep 24, 2006, 06:18 AM // 06:18

I agree with most posters here, factions was really terrible and should not be compared at all to GWN and GWP. Hopefully all future expansions will be of equal or even better quality of Nighfall.

Safer Saviour · Sep 24, 2006, 07:05 AM // 07:05

Factions wasn't that bad, it was flawed sure but I actually like some of the new features/places and love a lot of the armour there. In truth, Nightfall seems to have only improved the voice acing, music and heroes. It still has all the bad things about Factions, like locked doors and having to buy all your skills for every character, and I hope they fix that before release.

fleshvirus · Sep 24, 2006, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by Safer Saviour

Factions wasn't that bad, it was flawed sure but I actually like some of the new features/places and love a lot of the armour there. In truth, Nightfall seems to have only improved the voice acing, music and heroes. It still has all the bad things about Factions, like locked doors and having to buy all your skills for every character, and I hope they fix that before release.

Indeed. Factions had the best looking armor so far. But i think Nightfalls armor is quite More Real. I mean it looks Faschinating. And the Outfits and Face's. Factions even had two Interesting Proffessions sutch as the irritating Assasin and the very sexy ritualist

Asmodeus The Hunter · Sep 24, 2006, 10:43 AM // 10:43

A point of the hero screens means that people might start to realise that henchies have energy problems too

Maybe give THEM a chance to regen or something?

Loralai · Sep 24, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

Way way too early to make an educated determination on this issue. Beginner's island is never where I make my conclusions on how the gameplay is, and regardless of new flashy things, like Hero AI, skill templates, what have you, my main concern is and will always be gameplay. So no determination as of yet.

Xenrath · Sep 24, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

I'm going to wait and see. The starter island is not enough to say if the whole game will be better. Mind you, Factions wasn't all that great anyway.

I like so far it somehow feels bigger and more open than Factions. Will it match up to Prophecies though? Doubtful, that one was a classic imho and had more years work on it.

I personally don't like how EVERYONE and their grandmother is in a team of henchies and heroes. Reading many of the posts here I guess I'm in a minority when I play online multiplayer games for the purpose of teamplay with other players. If it ends up like this in the whole game and months later everyone is still in hench/AI teams, I fear that will be the end of GW for me. The multiplayer aspect is what I play online games for. AI/bots can be found plenty in singleplayer offline games.

Da Cebuano · Sep 24, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Prophecies will always be the best because it was the first game and it had the most content and the best "free style" gameplay where you aren't forced to do anything, but you can do everything. GWP map being huge is a bonus, its like both cantha and NF mixed + a little bit more topping. The huge map allows for some exploration and the non linear gameplay of you not having to force your way through the entire game, I wish Anet would realize that, I bet they already do, but because of the 6 months cycle, shorter games will have to last longer, probly why the locked doors w/ or w/o any barriers are there. Also, prophecies lasted a whole year and kept more people ingame longer than Factions and will probly be able to claim the same when NF comes out.

Ithil Tior · Sep 24, 2006, 12:22 PM // 12:22

I'm having more fun on the Nightfall starter island than I had in the entire Factions campaign.

Pessimistic Daydream · Sep 24, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

First thing first.. I agree that NF > Factions... I really didn't like factions at all. To me factions was rushing you constantly.. from the super fast leveling (which kept me from making a char there that made it past level 10 because I hated the starter island) to the One-way-only game play... I just didn't like it. And honestly, yeah I had more fun playing the beginner island of Nightfall than I did the entire game of Factions.

That being said, I think people are grouping with hench and heros this weekend to test them, see how they work, get a feel for how well the AI was upgraded and what the limits on the heros are and such. I also think that once the game comes out, there will be people who just do that, group with heros and hench and GO GO GO!

But there will also be people who would rather group with other people to do things, at least the first couple times around.

As far as NF > Proph... I dunno, I do like the feel of Nightfall better so far, but like people have said that -was- just the starter island... and though I loved it and it made me decide that I am getting Nightfall for sure when I was doubting it... I'm still reserving judgement on the overall game of Nightfall until I play through it once or four times

fleshvirus · Sep 24, 2006, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Originally Posted by Asmodeus The Hunter

A point of the hero screens means that people might start to realise that henchies have energy problems too

Maybe give THEM a chance to regen or something?

And all these Years ive ben calling the healer henches for retards *sigh*

fleshvirus · Sep 24, 2006, 02:13 PM // 14:13

[QUOTE=Pessimistic Daydream]First thing first.. I agree that NF > Factions... I really didn't like factions at all. To me factions was rushing you constantly.. from the super fast leveling (which kept me from making a char there that made it past level 10 because I hated the starter island) to the One-way-only game play... I just didn't like it. And honestly, yeah I had more fun playing the beginner island of Nightfall than I did the entire game of Factions.

That being said, I think people are grouping with hench and heros this weekend to test them, see how they work, get a feel for how well the AI was upgraded and what the limits on the heros are and such. I also think that once the game comes out, there will be people who just do that, group with heros and hench and GO GO GO!

But there will also be people who would rather group with other people to do things, at least the first couple times around.

heres a quick Difference betwen henches,heroes and Players.

Henches are still Mindless and they follow orders this time. But that doesnt mean that they will Replace Human Players that Can plan and speak and even Help allot more.

Heroes Cant Use all skills properly but they are good for support. Human players will allways be better cause Heroes or henches cant Help you with a Very hard Elite mission or challange.

See? Humans have a brain and everything else is a freaking Program

led-zep · Sep 24, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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Originally Posted by Ganik Thress

He must know, he MUST have played through all of Nightfall.

well mr sarcastic i tend to agree with him, prophecies imo is better than nightfall and that comparing the game mechanics and pre experience of both games. it had an atmosphere in game that hasnt been there in factions and from the preview i dont think will be in nightfall, all i see is people in groups of hench and/or heroes, there is very little human interaction.

prophecies was a great game which was fun to play and you could go through as fast or as slow as you liked, it was entirely up to you

and yes i am one of those people who after making my 4th/5th/6th character i pretty much skipped the first missions til the desert because the choice was there to do so

even in nightfall you have to earn rank before certain quests open so the freedom isnt there and the less said about factions the better.

Electric Sky · Sep 24, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Nightfall > Factions

Pessimistic Daydream · Sep 24, 2006, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by fleshvirus

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Heroes Cant Use all skills properly but they are good for support. Human players will allways be better cause Heroes or henches cant Help you with a Very hard Elite mission or challange.

See? Humans have a brain and everything else is a freaking Program

Lol.. Okay, I beg to differ that Heros wouldn't be a better option than about 1/2 the GW players on very hard missions.... because about 1/2 the people who play that I've ran into really don't know what they're doing. There are several perks to the heros...
1 They don't think they know everything
2 They don't go "pull" while your monks have no energy at all (And if they try you can tell them to get back and they actually obey!).
3 They play most builds quite well, or most builds I set them up with. (Note: I chose to play a monk, but I did smite for a bit to test the monk heros out) My only complaint about any of the Heros skill use choices is that I had the monk smiting with Sig of Judgement and Sig of Rage, but they would sometimes just not use them when they could.
4 If you have to AFK for a couple mins, they don't freak out and get mad.
5 YOU can choose their builds
And 6 Best of all... if you mess up, they promise not to call you a noob! <3

I'm not going to be playing with purely heros and hench, but if I find something like Nahpui (had an EVIL time with that mission on my ranger) in Nightfall.. you can bet after the first PUG messes it up, I'll go straight for the Heros and fill the rest with hench.

Sheriff · Sep 24, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Even though Nightfall is looking really good, judging from the size of the world it will be once again a smaller experience than GWP.

Also, GWN is linear again, Factions style. I don't want to have to do n00b island with all my chars. Where's the option? Nowhere. You just can't be "run" out of the island

In terms of linearity, sorry but I still haven't seen any advantage of GWN over GWF, and GWP is still miles, leagues ahead

Random Nonsense · Sep 24, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Just when I quit the game EVERYONE is saying NF is awesome? Looks like Factions sucked so much they had to make their next expansion "awesome" to get their old players to come back.

Mr_eX · Sep 24, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Yes, let's all form our opinions of Nightfall based on a beta preview weekend before the game actually comes out.

AlienFromBeyond · Sep 24, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Omega X

Though there is nothing like pre sear Tyria.

I don't think there will ever be something like Presear Ascalon again in GW. In terms of looks it easily beats out every other place.

TsunamiZ · Sep 24, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

nightfall's character appearance customization is still meager like factions' was

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10049147